Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

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Re: game consoles
By: Morningstarr to All on Sun Dec 14 2025 09:46 pm

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

I think consoles were only worth it up to the 6th generation... afterwards, consoles became glorified computers with all the issues that brings.

My best console of All Times has to be the Playstation. It was the first console that did CD games right, and despite all of its multiple issues, it managed to get very good games released on it. The Nintendo 64 had a lot of horsepower on paper and some quite good games, but the controller sucked balls and there was only so much data you could shove into a N64 cartridge compared to a CD. The Sega Saturn was out of the game very much from the start.

The second best console, for me, would be the Playstation 2. It is easy to tell it struggled competing in horsepower against the other consoles in its generation, but once again, it managed to get a BIG library that included most good games. Meanwhile, XBOX had a limited number of heavy hitters (such as HALO) which were available on other platforms anyway, and the first controller lineup was too big for so many people. Its games looked awesome and a bit next gen but under the good they were upscaled PS2 ports quite often.

I have a special mention for the Sega Dreamcast. It didn't last long but it packed a nice punch with some arcade conversions that were quite good. Games such as Hydro Thunder are best played on Dreamcast if you don't have an arcade cabinet, and the Dreamcast port is arguably better than the PC port, which is saying something. The controller was godawful, and many shooting heavy titles such as MDK2 were very meh to play on it... these days using a controller with two analog sticks to play Dreamcast games via an emulator is a game changer.


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Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

None of the above.




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Re: game consoles
By: Morningstarr to All on Sun Dec 14 2025 09:46 pm

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

Playstation 1 and 2, the playstation 1 (that I still have) I modified it so it would play copied CD's so I only played the copies and kept the originals near mint condition.
The grand kids now play with the playstation 2.

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Re: game consoles
By: Arelor to Morningstarr on Mon Dec 15 2025 08:22 am

I think consoles were only worth it up to the 6th generation... afterwards, consoles became glorified computers with all the issues that brings.

I often felt like consoles were simplified computers, at least in the early days of consoles.. though in the 80s, consoles often had better graphics & sound capabilities than desktop computers did.

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Re: game consoles
By: Morningstarr to All on Sun Dec 14 2025 09:46 pm

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

I play PC games most often. I still have a Nintendo Wii, and that's the newest game console I have. I liked the older game consoles, such as the original NES, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Nintendo 64, TurboGrafX-16, etc..

Nightfox

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Re: game consoles
By: Morningstarr to All on Sun Dec 14 2025 21:46:09

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

Tbh, either the PS2 or Xbox 360.

My only other favorite doesn't really classify as a console, but the Commodore 64 is amazing, and super capable for its age!

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Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Dec 15 2025 09:48 am

I often felt like consoles were simplified computers, at least in the early days of consoles.. though in the 80s, consoles often had better graphics & sound capabilities than desktop computers did.

The really early consoles (think 2nd generation and before) didn't feel like computers at all. 1st generation were wired logic toys.

Onwards... they were computers in a sense, but they weren't user programable (at least on purpose). They were machines into which you inserted your "toy of the day" to have fun with and it pretty much worked out of the gate, as opposed to PC games (in which you had to configure your hardware, or have the proper accessories or proper memory extensions or whatever).

Later machines (think 7th generation aka PS3 and onward) are designed to run applications from vendors, feature networking as a basic characteristic, and no longer work as a fire and forget solution. This is, playing games in some consoles takes more than inserting a cartridge in them and powering the console on.


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On 2025-12-15, Morningstarr <morningstarr@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

I'm a PC guy, but sometimes I fire up a portable Chinese NES clone with SMB3, Tetris and the like.

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Re: Re: game consoles
By: anthk to Morningstarr on Tue Dec 16 2025 09:02 am

I'm a PC guy, but sometimes I fire up a portable Chinese NES clone with SMB3, Tetris and the like.

My favorite Tetris game is probably Tetris DX for the Game Boy Color.

Nightfox

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Re: game consoles
By: Morningstarr to All on Sun Dec 14 2025 21:46:09

Hey guys, what is your favorite gaming console? Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo switch???

i have the PS1 (modded some of those with modChips), Xbox (eventually was used as a mediaplayer for a while), Xbox360, PS3, PS4 and Xbox One. I don't really play games anymore but sometimes i still use the Xbox One for a casual Minecraft or Subnautica Game Session.

But the Xbox360 was my favorite game console. It also has the best Controller (How are you supposed to use Playstation Controllers when you have big hands?).

Best exclusive Games Award i'd give to Sony PS3/4. Games like "The Last Guardian" are so good!

I also have positive memories of how it felt to buy physical media =)

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Re: game consoles
By: Mindsurfer to Morningstarr on Tue Dec 16 2025 09:21 pm

I also have positive memories of how it felt to buy physical media =)

I still buy physical media.. I've never bought anything on a streaming service, as I don't trust them. They remove content fairly frequently, and I've even heard of cases where someone purchased a movie on a streaming service and the movie was removed later.

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Hey Nightfox!

On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 15:51:50 -0800, you wrote:

I still buy physical media.. I've never bought anything on a streaming service, as I don't trust them. They remove content fairly frequently,
and I've even heard of cases where someone purchased a movie on a
streaming service and the movie was removed later.

Most of the time when you "purchase" a movie from a streaming service, you're not actually purchasing the movie forever, you're renting it (just like you would from Blockbuster, back in the day). That's why it's usually only around $5 or so, and you're told before you make said purchase that you are able to "access" or "view" the movie for a certain timeframe.. 24-48 hours, maybe.

The fact that said movie may have been removed at a later time, had absolutely nothing to do with someone's movie rental.

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Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Mindsurfer on Tue Dec 16 2025 15:51:51

I also have positive memories of how it felt to buy physical media =)

I still buy physical media.. I've never bought anything on a streaming service, as I don't trust them. They remove content fairly frequently, and I've even heard of cases where someone purchased a movie on a streaming service and the movie was removed later.

correct, you just get a limited right to use/access the digital media. It is really stupid. As soon as the company goes out of business or decides that it costs them to much to still provide the download, you loose access.

I bought some addons for games digitally or discounted games. I still have some Xbox360 games on physical disks and some Playstation games. But i don't really own many DVDs or Blurays. (just a LOST Box Set)

The only physical media i bought regularly until maybe 2005 was Vinyl records.

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Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Mindsurfer on Tue Dec 16 2025 03:51 pm

Re: game consoles
By: Mindsurfer to Morningstarr on Tue Dec 16 2025 09:21 pm

I also have positive memories of how it felt to buy physical media =)

I still buy physical media.. I've never bought anything on a streaming service, as I don't trust them. They remove content fairly frequently, and I've even heard of cases where someone purchased a movie on a streaming service and the movie was removed later.

Truth to be told, you can purchase digital downloads from places that will let you keep them.

In Gog and Zoom-Platform, you can purchase your games and then download them anytime you want. If you want to ensure your purchase won't disappear, you can just download it to your har drive and install it anytime you want.

I find this very handy because oftentimes games etc. get upgraded and the previous versions get removed from downloads... if you happen to like the old version better, you'd better keep your own copy.


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Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Mindsurfer on Tue Dec 16 2025 03:51 pm

I also have positive memories of how it felt to buy physical media
=)

I still buy physical media.. I've never bought anything on a streaming service, as I don't trust them. They remove content fairly frequently, and I've even heard of cases where someone purchased a movie on a streaming service and the movie was removed later.

I also like the physical media, however several years ago my son bought me a few games on steam that I never play.
I have a big box full of PS1/PS2 CD's that the grandkids comover and play.

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Most of the time when you "purchase" a movie from a streaming service, you're not actually purchasing the movie forever, you're renting it
(just like you would from Blockbuster, back in the day).

Amazon made it clear recently in their license terms that you're
purchasing a license to view books in the Kindle store, not actually
buying a book. They also made it more difficult to download books
recently. I used their tools to download the books I'd purchased before
the change, and am on the lookout for DRM-free books moving forwards.




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correct, you just get a limited right to use/access the digital media.
It is really stupid. As soon as the company goes out of business or decides that it costs them to much to still provide the download, you loose access.

I remember one of the e-book publishers talking about their licensing
terms for libraries. In a bit of demented skeuomorphism, their terms
specified that the library would have to rebuy the book after 8
lendings, since that's as many lendings as they estimated a physical
book would last.

Librarians scoffed, showing books that they'd kept in rotation for 70-80
lendings. I'm sure a librarian with a tub of library paste and clear
tape could repair a jet plane...


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Hey Denn!

On Wed, Dec 17 2025 09:15:11 -0600, you wrote:

I also like the physical media, however several years ago my son
bought me a few games on steam that I never play. I have a big box
full of PS1/PS2 CD's that the grandkids comover and play.

I don't even know where half of my digital games are, to be honest. If I really want to find out or play something I've uninstalled, I have to look up who made the game and fire up whatever game launcher the game came with. Off the top of my head, I have Steam, Ubisoft, Origin/EA, Battle.net, and probably a couple others installed here that all want to start up when you boot your computer. I've disabled all but Steam and have moved all of my non-steam games over to Steam so at least I can see them listed to remind me I have/own them. ;)

Regards,
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Hey Nightfox!

On Wed, Dec 17 2025 14:37:02 -0600, you wrote:

I've also seen a lot of movies on physical media come with a code to
redeem a digital version on a streaming platform, which allows them
to stream the movie any time.

I've seen this as well, but I'd imagine your digital copy is only as good as the service that provides it. It also probably comes with some kind of EULA or similar that states that they can remove it from their service at any time.

I was thinking of purchases, not rentals.

I guess I've never seen full purchases of movies from streaming services, but I'll take your word for it as I wouldn't put it past them to pull any kind of trickery possible on their customers. Times have definitely changed.

Regards,
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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 17 2025 07:01 pm

I've also seen a lot of movies on physical media come with a code to redeem
a digital version on a streaming platform, which allows them to stream the
movie any time.

I've seen this as well, but I'd imagine your digital copy is only as good as the service that provides it. It also probably comes with some kind of EULA or similar that states that they can remove it from their service at any time.

Yeah, I believe they most likely do come with a EULA. I've only redeemed a couple of them, but I've never really watched them on streaming if I own a physical copy. I tend to rip my physical copies to put on my own media server, which is usually how I watch them these days. I feel like I don't have a need for their digital version.

I was thinking of purchases, not rentals.

I guess I've never seen full purchases of movies from streaming services, but I'll take your word for it as I wouldn't put it past them to pull any kind of trickery possible on their customers. Times have definitely changed.

I'm a little surprised. I've seen movies for purchase on streaming services for years - at least some of them. Amazon has a lot of them on their streaming service, Amazon Prime. For instance, this is one example - The new Naked Gun movie with Liam Neeson - Amazon has it to purchase for $16.99 right now (normally $19.99) or for rent for $2.99:

https://tinyurl.com/47t73r9k

Full URL:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0FH2ZHMQ5/ref=atv_hm_sto_c_BkILVo_brws_ 2_10

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Hey Nightfox!

On Wed, Dec 17 2025 19:57:28 -0600, you wrote:

Yeah, I believe they most likely do come with a EULA. I've only
redeemed a couple of them, but I've never really watched them on
streaming if I own a physical copy. I tend to rip my physical
copies to put on my own media server, which is usually how I watch
them these days. I feel like I don't have a need for their digital
version.

I'm basically in the same boat, which is probably why I never really noticed the "buy" option, as I would never do that (which may seem odd, because that's how I "own" all my video games). However, I've paid $2.99, or under $5 to rent a movie knowing that I was only going to watch it once, and never again.

I'd be mad if I lost a bunch of games, but I suppose that was the risk I took when I started buying digital copies.

I'm a little surprised. I've seen movies for purchase on streaming
services for years - at least some of them. Amazon has a lot of
them on their streaming service, Amazon Prime. For instance, this
is one example - The new Naked Gun movie with Liam Neeson - Amazon
has it to purchase for $16.99 right now (normally $19.99) or for
rent for $2.99:

I see what you're saying now, and with a little more digging:

"You don't own the actual video, you're granted a license from the content provider. Amazon will make the video available for however long the license allows them to do so."

"Unless you can play the file on the device of your choice at the time of your choice without ANY external validation, you do NOT 'own' the movie/song/book/game you just bought. You are 'licensing' it, and such a license can be revoked for any (or sometimes no) reason."

So it applies to just about any streaming service.

Regards,
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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 17 2025 08:57 pm

I'm basically in the same boat, which is probably why I never really noticed the "buy" option, as I would never do that (which may seem odd, because that's how I "own" all my video games). However, I've paid $2.99, or under $5 to rent a movie knowing that I was only going to watch it once, and never again.

When you buy video games from an online store, at least you can download the game and have it on your PC (or other device). I have quite a few games I've bought from the Steam store.

I still have some older PC games on DVD-ROM & CD-ROM too..

The new Naked Gun movie with Liam Neeson - Amazon has it to purchase for
$16.99 right now (normally $19.99) or for rent for $2.99:

I see what you're saying now, and with a little more digging:

"You don't own the actual video, you're granted a license from the content provider. Amazon will make the video available for however long the license allows them to do so."

"Unless you can play the file on the device of your choice at the time of your choice without ANY external validation, you do NOT 'own' the movie/song/book/game you just bought. You are 'licensing' it, and such a license can be revoked for any (or sometimes no) reason."

So it applies to just about any streaming service.

Yep. That's why I've never bought a movie on a streaming service.. For that price, you could buy the blu-ray (or maybe the 4K blu-ray for just a bit more) and have a copy that won't be going anywhere.

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Hey Nightfox!

On Thu, Dec 18 2025 12:41:36 -0600, you wrote:

When you buy video games from an online store, at least you can
download the game and have it on your PC (or other device). I have
quite a few games I've bought from the Steam store.

Yeah, but this leads back to another conversation we've had about not
being able to actually run the game without Steam, so it's kind of the
same scenario, except that you download the game, but if Steam were to
shut down, you would be left with crap on your computer that wouldn't run.

I still have some older PC games on DVD-ROM & CD-ROM too..

I'm sure I do also, around here somewhere. I just haven't had a CD/DVD
ROM in ages, so it doesn't really matter where they are. ;)

Yep. That's why I've never bought a movie on a streaming service..
For that price, you could buy the blu-ray (or maybe the 4K blu-ray
for just a bit more) and have a copy that won't be going anywhere.

Agreed. I don't mind renting them for a few dollars, knowing that I'll
probably never watch them again. But that's the same reason I usually
wouldn't pay full price for them at all, either.

Regards,
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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu Dec 18 2025 02:43 pm

Agreed. I don't mind renting them for a few dollars, knowing that I'll probably never watch them again. But that's the same reason I usually wouldn't pay full price for them at all, either.

I liked RedBox for the price; I think it was $1.50 or $2.00 to rent a movie from RedBox last time I used them (which was years ago). Streaming services often charge $3 to $5 or so to rent a movie from them, but I guess that's the way it goes.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Accession on Wed Dec 17 2025 05:57 pm

I'm a little surprised. I've seen movies for purchase on streaming services for years - at least some of them.

I've bought a couple of them over the years so I can watch whenever I want.

So far, none of them have disappeared (Yet!)

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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Accession on Thu Dec 18 2025 10:41 am

When you buy video games from an online store, at least you can download the game and have it on your PC (or other device). I have quite a few games I've bought from the Steam store.

I still have some older PC games on DVD-ROM & CD-ROM too..

I still have some old original games on Disk's from the early 1990's like Jet Pack and Commander Keen.


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Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Dec 17 2025 12:39 pm

I was thinking of movies rather than games, but this is good to know. In my experience, when you purchase a movie from a streaming service, they still use DRM/copy protection. Even if they might let you download it for offline viewing, you'd still need to use their app to watch it.

I am a troglodyte when it comes to movies, so I don t use streaming services myself and I would not know for sure.

My father used to be on Amazon Prime, but anything mediocre or better was behind a secondary paywall. That was kind of bullshit: you are paying a subscription already, for the privilege of spending even more money on their platform. At that point I don t care if the movies are DRM-free or not, the whole idea is very WTF.

It is like modern Onlyfans. You pay for the right to purchase more stuff (by paying even more).

The movie industry is very paranoid regarding their movies so I don t know of any digital movie or video distributor that is not trying to DRM everything. Even Youtube tries very hard for videos not to be downloadable. The always fail hard, but the fact they are trying is very telling.


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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Accession to Denn on Wed Dec 17 2025 06:53 pm

I don't even know where half of my digital games are, to be honest. If I really want to find out or play something I've uninstalled, I have to look up who made the game and fire up whatever game launcher the game came with. Off the top of my head, I have Steam, Ubisoft, Origin/EA, Battle.net, and probably a couple others installed here that all want to start up when you boot your computer. I've disabled all but Steam and have moved all of my non-steam games over to Steam so at least I can see them listed to remind me I have/own them. ;)

Regards,

The solution to that problem is using a custom launcher for your games.

In Linux I use Lutris or Heroic. You can put all your Steam, Gog, Epic etc. games under them and have all your library of digital games in the same place.

On Windows there is Playnite.


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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Accession to Nightfox on Wed Dec 17 2025 08:57 pm

I'd be mad if I lost a bunch of games, but I suppose that was the risk I took when I started buying digital copies.

Videogame preservation might feel like a B-class concern, but let s face it, videogames these days are a cultural product with all the weight the fact packs.

Lots of oldies don t pick this up, but the fact is beating the crap out of each other at Tekken brings people together more tighter than many other common cultural phenomena, like say Literature.

I love myself some Francisco Quevedo and Miguel de Cervantes, but let s face it, on a day to day basis, Dungeons and Dragons and Prince of Persia games are a much stronger force when it comes to bringing cohesion to social circles.

When somebody in my group of friends says "You know what, I would love to play some Legend of Zelda from the NES, for the sake of old times" and another guy shows up with that game, it is fucking magic. There is so much bounding you get from pulling out a 20 year old PC game you have had in a box for decades and having a shared experience playing it once again with people.

So yeah, you d better be mad if you lost a bunch of games.


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Re: Re: game consoles
By: Nightfox to Accession on Thu Dec 18 2025 10:41 am

When you buy video games from an online store, at least you can download the game and have it on your PC (or other device). I have quite a few games I've bought from the Steam store.

That is a bit of a poisonous download, though, since depending on the platform and depending on the game, your download might not be self-sufficient.

Many games from Steam and Epic have the Steam or Epic launchers as runtime dependencies, for example. Many of those games also need some sort of online validation in order to run. In this regard, the PCGamingwiki is a good place to visit in order to learn if you download is self-sufficient.

I don t buy many games anymore, but when I do I tend to pick Zoom-platform or Gog games just because they are guaranteed to be runnable completely off-grid. I think itch.io is also a good source but I have never used it myself.


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